Where do dead Babies Go?
Dear Christians and Unbelievers 2019Sep14, 2022Apr12
This is my study of: Dead babies, do they automatically go to heaven?.
What a lovely idea. Would a loving and merciful God do anything other?
Is there any possibility that they could end up in hell?
What scriptural thoughts might you have to share in response?
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Where do babies, born and unborn, go when they die?
Does it make any difference what their parents believe? Here are some questions and answers. Dead Babies, What does God's word say about young Children? Is there any reason to be concerned? Are we not involved in speaking for the children and their mothers because we are not thinking correctly? Does this include in vitro fertilization (egg and sperm united outside a living person)? Are these lives God would require us to rescue?
Below is a post of an unbeliever's question which I include to show that man's thinking.
Questions: S.P.Requiem Aug 25, 2016. Then my (Tony Walker) answer from scripture.
S.P.Requiem Aug 25, 2016.
Do dead babies and fetuses automatically go to heaven?
It's said in the bible that all humans are born sinful, and should obtain salvation by believing in Jesus in order to go to heaven.
Which babies and fetuses clearly can't do.
So does that mean all dead babies and fetuses go to hell?
If so, then what's the point of their existence? They were created for the sole purpose to die an agonizing death then suffer eternal hell fire for no reason. What kind of a God would do that?
To counter this horrifying conclusion, Christians invented the concept of "age of accountability (and how old is that exactly?)". Which is nowhere to be found in the bible by the way.
They said that babies and toddlers before that age who can't make their own decisions, would go straight to heaven when they die.
Sounds pretty nice, right? But wait, that means it is only when people reach that age that they take the burden of sin and has the ticket to hell, and the majority of them do end up there. (Based on the fact that only 31% of the world population are Christians.)
Before age of accountability: 100% heaven.
After age of accountability: 31% heaven, 69% hell.
Adding that a few decades of life in this world is literally nothing compare to the afterlife of eternity.
Isn't the logical conclusion be: We should kill all the babies and fetuses before they reach the age of accountability?
Now, do you think dead babies and fetuses go to heaven or hell?
If heaven, how do you counter the "we should kill all babies" argument?
If hell, how do you justify God throwing babies to hell?
Tony Walker replies :
You present your question as someone who wants to know the truth. By your statement “What kind of a God would do that?” you seem to expect God to be good. That is a very good starting point.
God word applies to everyone!
Do killed babies automatically go to heaven?
What a lovely idea. Would a loving and merciful God do anything other?
Is there any possibility that they could end up in hell?
How is it possible to know? Scripture is my basis of knowing about Heaven, and who goes there, about God, and who he is, about Angels, and their role, and about hell, and who goes there, and demons. Scripture is how we should establish what we believe, and not base our believes on arguments of men.
So from the scriptures I present, yes there is provision made for all people even babies and the answer to killing babies, that You asked for. And you decide weather I am just making an argument of man.
Thanks for your time and thoughts
Now I know that the John 3:14-20 passage is not talking about babies it is just establishing what scripture says about salvation (Going to Heaven/Everlasting life).
Jesus Said : (my comment in brackets) John 3:14-20 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (The penalty for sin was death. So God paid that penalty by giving his sinless son who volunteered to die in our place.) 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
. 1Corinthians 7:14 talks about the young ones.
1Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
The word “sanctified” here does not mean saved/born-again it just is saying God is recognizing the babies/young-ones as holy if there is at least ONE believing/born-again spouse in the marriage. This is definitely a Scripture that talks about babies/young-ones and only some being holy and others unclean. God can not accept any unclean person,
Unclean, Do unclean children go to heaven ? Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no ... unclean person, ... hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
God's hates "hands that shed innocent blood" Prov 6:16,17 and killing children obviously counts as doing so, and he considered child sacrifice to be abominable. Jeremiah 19:4-5 ... Thus saith God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. Because they have forsaken me, ... and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5 They have ... burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind
As to the belief that all are sinners (eternally separated from God) even from conception in the womb, I present this Romans 5:12-21 scripture passage.
Romans 5:12-21 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one (Adam) many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Cor 5:21)
King David was a believer in God's salvation through God's promises, and he says of his child that died, 2Sam 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. (This is an example of a child of a God believing person)
Hosea 4: 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of God. I will also forget your children. (What else could be meant by “I will also forget your children”)
Hos 2:4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
Hos 2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully:
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
Ten Examples from scripture:
Unclean, Do unclean children go to heaven ?
1. Eph 5:5 no unclean person, ...hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1Corinthians 7:14 talks about the young ones.
2. 1Cor 7:12-14 ... If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
God is recognizing the babies/young-ones as holy if there is at least ONE believing/born-again spouse in the marriage. This is definitely a Scripture that talks about babies/young-ones and only some being holy and others unclean. (God can not accept any unclean person) Continued on next page
3. David's child is an example of a child of a God-believing person, not an unbeliever. 2Sam 12:23
4. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of God. I will also forget your children. (What else could be meant by “I will also forget your children”)
5. God saved the righteous, only 4 people, out of Sodom, Gomorrah, and all the other cities of the plain not one unbeliever's baby or child . Gen 19:1-29 Surely there must have been children and babies in those cities.
6. Daniel's false accusers' children got the punishment that the fathers got. God or the king did not save the children from the lions when they all got tossed into the lions' den. Dan 6:24 (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
7. Moses and/or God made no attempt to save the lives of Korah's, Dathan's, and Abiram's children as the earth opened up and they all perished together with their parents. Num 16:26-33 (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
8. Ezek 9:6 Slay utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women; ... 10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.
(Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
9. Hos 2:4-5 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully:
10. Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
11. This teaching of Jesus: The man owed ten thousand talents commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children Matt 18:24 Can that which god has forgiven us of be reinstated against us? Matt 18:33-35 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
So from the scriptures I presented, “Yes there is God's provision made for all people, even babies, and the answer to killing babies”, that You asked for.
I believe this also can be applied to in vitro fertilization. Taking another's seed into your body, is this not the very essence of adultery? Are Christians and others having extra children created (extra eggs fertilized), because of cost, and then not taking care of those children and leaving them to be killed or sold? And having multiple fertilized eggs implanted so they can then kill/abortion-murder any they see as not wanted, all to save extra expense $$$? And then again anyone who thinks they want to rescue one, do they now pick a most wanted one? Or the weakest one? Is it important to know the health and genetics of the "parents"? The more I think about it the more I am thinking it is all about not trusting God for him to give children, and using this as a convenient bypass to pick out your own children, under the pretense of rescuing a child.
Additional bible studies that challenge predominant thinking:
https://marriage.as4u.us/what-moses-said.html What Is Marriage what moses said about divorce, not commonly taught
http://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/does-the-bible-you-read-make-any-difference.html
https://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/blog-letter-about-my-apathy-tony-walkers-1-of--3-a-tale-of-two-dogs
https://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/uploads/3/0/0/0/3000147/01_bible_changes_niv_w-intro_2017-1-7ymd_who_fell_from_heaven_yellow.pdf
dead-babies-go-where?
[email protected]
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This is my study of: Dead babies, do they automatically go to heaven?.
What a lovely idea. Would a loving and merciful God do anything other?
Is there any possibility that they could end up in hell?
What scriptural thoughts might you have to share in response?
[email protected]
Where do babies, born and unborn, go when they die?
Does it make any difference what their parents believe? Here are some questions and answers. Dead Babies, What does God's word say about young Children? Is there any reason to be concerned? Are we not involved in speaking for the children and their mothers because we are not thinking correctly? Does this include in vitro fertilization (egg and sperm united outside a living person)? Are these lives God would require us to rescue?
Below is a post of an unbeliever's question which I include to show that man's thinking.
Questions: S.P.Requiem Aug 25, 2016. Then my (Tony Walker) answer from scripture.
S.P.Requiem Aug 25, 2016.
Do dead babies and fetuses automatically go to heaven?
It's said in the bible that all humans are born sinful, and should obtain salvation by believing in Jesus in order to go to heaven.
Which babies and fetuses clearly can't do.
So does that mean all dead babies and fetuses go to hell?
If so, then what's the point of their existence? They were created for the sole purpose to die an agonizing death then suffer eternal hell fire for no reason. What kind of a God would do that?
To counter this horrifying conclusion, Christians invented the concept of "age of accountability (and how old is that exactly?)". Which is nowhere to be found in the bible by the way.
They said that babies and toddlers before that age who can't make their own decisions, would go straight to heaven when they die.
Sounds pretty nice, right? But wait, that means it is only when people reach that age that they take the burden of sin and has the ticket to hell, and the majority of them do end up there. (Based on the fact that only 31% of the world population are Christians.)
Before age of accountability: 100% heaven.
After age of accountability: 31% heaven, 69% hell.
Adding that a few decades of life in this world is literally nothing compare to the afterlife of eternity.
Isn't the logical conclusion be: We should kill all the babies and fetuses before they reach the age of accountability?
Now, do you think dead babies and fetuses go to heaven or hell?
If heaven, how do you counter the "we should kill all babies" argument?
If hell, how do you justify God throwing babies to hell?
Tony Walker replies :
You present your question as someone who wants to know the truth. By your statement “What kind of a God would do that?” you seem to expect God to be good. That is a very good starting point.
God word applies to everyone!
Do killed babies automatically go to heaven?
What a lovely idea. Would a loving and merciful God do anything other?
Is there any possibility that they could end up in hell?
How is it possible to know? Scripture is my basis of knowing about Heaven, and who goes there, about God, and who he is, about Angels, and their role, and about hell, and who goes there, and demons. Scripture is how we should establish what we believe, and not base our believes on arguments of men.
So from the scriptures I present, yes there is provision made for all people even babies and the answer to killing babies, that You asked for. And you decide weather I am just making an argument of man.
Thanks for your time and thoughts
Now I know that the John 3:14-20 passage is not talking about babies it is just establishing what scripture says about salvation (Going to Heaven/Everlasting life).
Jesus Said : (my comment in brackets) John 3:14-20 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (The penalty for sin was death. So God paid that penalty by giving his sinless son who volunteered to die in our place.) 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
. 1Corinthians 7:14 talks about the young ones.
1Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
The word “sanctified” here does not mean saved/born-again it just is saying God is recognizing the babies/young-ones as holy if there is at least ONE believing/born-again spouse in the marriage. This is definitely a Scripture that talks about babies/young-ones and only some being holy and others unclean. God can not accept any unclean person,
Unclean, Do unclean children go to heaven ? Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no ... unclean person, ... hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
God's hates "hands that shed innocent blood" Prov 6:16,17 and killing children obviously counts as doing so, and he considered child sacrifice to be abominable. Jeremiah 19:4-5 ... Thus saith God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. Because they have forsaken me, ... and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5 They have ... burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind
As to the belief that all are sinners (eternally separated from God) even from conception in the womb, I present this Romans 5:12-21 scripture passage.
Romans 5:12-21 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one (Adam) many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Cor 5:21)
King David was a believer in God's salvation through God's promises, and he says of his child that died, 2Sam 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. (This is an example of a child of a God believing person)
Hosea 4: 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of God. I will also forget your children. (What else could be meant by “I will also forget your children”)
Hos 2:4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
Hos 2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully:
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
Ten Examples from scripture:
Unclean, Do unclean children go to heaven ?
1. Eph 5:5 no unclean person, ...hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1Corinthians 7:14 talks about the young ones.
2. 1Cor 7:12-14 ... If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
God is recognizing the babies/young-ones as holy if there is at least ONE believing/born-again spouse in the marriage. This is definitely a Scripture that talks about babies/young-ones and only some being holy and others unclean. (God can not accept any unclean person) Continued on next page
3. David's child is an example of a child of a God-believing person, not an unbeliever. 2Sam 12:23
4. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of God. I will also forget your children. (What else could be meant by “I will also forget your children”)
5. God saved the righteous, only 4 people, out of Sodom, Gomorrah, and all the other cities of the plain not one unbeliever's baby or child . Gen 19:1-29 Surely there must have been children and babies in those cities.
6. Daniel's false accusers' children got the punishment that the fathers got. God or the king did not save the children from the lions when they all got tossed into the lions' den. Dan 6:24 (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
7. Moses and/or God made no attempt to save the lives of Korah's, Dathan's, and Abiram's children as the earth opened up and they all perished together with their parents. Num 16:26-33 (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
8. Ezek 9:6 Slay utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women; ... 10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.
(Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
9. Hos 2:4-5 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully:
10. Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
11. This teaching of Jesus: The man owed ten thousand talents commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children Matt 18:24 Can that which god has forgiven us of be reinstated against us? Matt 18:33-35 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, (Here the children are condemned to suffer the same as their parent)
So from the scriptures I presented, “Yes there is God's provision made for all people, even babies, and the answer to killing babies”, that You asked for.
I believe this also can be applied to in vitro fertilization. Taking another's seed into your body, is this not the very essence of adultery? Are Christians and others having extra children created (extra eggs fertilized), because of cost, and then not taking care of those children and leaving them to be killed or sold? And having multiple fertilized eggs implanted so they can then kill/abortion-murder any they see as not wanted, all to save extra expense $$$? And then again anyone who thinks they want to rescue one, do they now pick a most wanted one? Or the weakest one? Is it important to know the health and genetics of the "parents"? The more I think about it the more I am thinking it is all about not trusting God for him to give children, and using this as a convenient bypass to pick out your own children, under the pretense of rescuing a child.
Additional bible studies that challenge predominant thinking:
https://marriage.as4u.us/what-moses-said.html What Is Marriage what moses said about divorce, not commonly taught
http://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/does-the-bible-you-read-make-any-difference.html
https://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/blog-letter-about-my-apathy-tony-walkers-1-of--3-a-tale-of-two-dogs
https://whatismarriagetonywpiano.weebly.com/uploads/3/0/0/0/3000147/01_bible_changes_niv_w-intro_2017-1-7ymd_who_fell_from_heaven_yellow.pdf
dead-babies-go-where?
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